Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal - BS Myths

As Co-founder of Texans for Sensible Immigration Policy, I respond (which can be seen in red) to an e-mail that has been sent around to the masses entitled "Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal" by setting the record straight with facts, not fiction!

There are two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal." Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted. Actually, a lot of Illegals do the same. They use a fake SS number.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table." Actually, a lot of U.S. Citizens do the same. Employers treat them as "sub contractors" to avoid paying matching taxes and providing WC and UE taxes.

Ready? Now pay attention...

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00. This  is absurd. A single man with that income, with no dependent children will pay less than 20% in taxes, including Social Security and Medicare. This comes to $10,400 leaving Joe Legal with $41,600. Just remember that illegals who used a fake Social Security number are doing the same thing - they're paying money into our Social Security system that they will never collect.

Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00. Again, under our current immigration laws, U.S. employers have hired millions of "Jose Illegals" LEGALLY. Their taxes are withheld just like Joe Legal's taxes are withheld. 

Joe Legal Pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00. Actually, Joe Legal has $34,400.00. Remember he is paying less than 20% in taxes. Millions of illegals are doing the same thing with fake social security cards.

Joe Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. This is an overstatement. Assuming you are talking about illegals who are not insured (there are millions working for employers with benefits) they are in the same boat as the legal uninsured. Both groups show up at the emergency room for the medical treatment because they cannot be turned away.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00. Actually, Joe Legal now has $28,400.00. This also implies that Illegals receive welfare and food stamps. This is not true - both welfare and food stamp programs require a VERIFIED valid Social Security ID.  

Joe Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Again, no one gets foods stamps without a verified SS number! Jose Illegal now has $25,200 after food expenses. 

Joe Legal pays rent of $1200.00 per month, or $14,400 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00. Actually, Joe Legal has $14,000.00. Also, many Illegals own their homes, so what is the point?

Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Again, not true because of the SS ID requirement.

Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month for rent, or $6000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Why would one think the average Jose Illegal pays any less rent than the average "Joe Legal"? This is a deliberate misrepresentation. Jose Illegal's now has $10,800 after rent expense.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 per year for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00. Actually, he now has $11,600.00. Legal status is no guarantee that someone will buy insurance - again the deck is being stacked.

Jose Illegal says "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00. If Illegals were allowed to renew their drivers licenses, they could buy liability insurance on the cars and trucks that we sold them. Now, we refuse to renew their drivers licenses?!? So, who is it that is keeping Jose Illegal from buying insurance?!?

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc. Actually, it is $11,600.00. Yes, he sure does have to make it stretch. Good thing he live in a country that offers more opportunities to people regardless of class or national origin. Everything he buys contributes to our U.S. economy. Everyone should want Joe Legal to succeed. When he succeeds, America succeeds!

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 (the correct number is $10,800) stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month. Jose Illegal can do whatever he wants with his money. But, he also buys goods and services in the United States of America. His money counts the same as Joe Legal.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work. Also known as getting ahead!

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family. This is a ridiculous characterization. More likely, he is standing on a corner waiting for any job at $10.00 per hour, hoping that the guy that picks him up will pay him. 

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home. They bot get a free lunch and they both study English.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay. What makes you think "Jose" did not pay for these services? In Texas, we pay our police and fire services through local sales and property taxes. If Jose had lived in Texas he would have paid plenty of those. Now consider this: If Jose had lived in Arizona, how likely is it that Jose Illegal will call the police when he is the victim of a crime? He is afraid to report the crime as he knows he is subject to deportation!

Do you get it now?!? Yes, it's obvious that you know very little about Illegal Immigration!

If you vote for or support any politician who supports immigration reform - You are part of the problem! No, you are the problem! Keep it up, and you will drive more legal immigrants to vote for the likes of Obama Socialism! If you can read get you head out of ... and think! God gave you a brain. Use it and support Sensible Immigration Reform. America deserves a sensible immigration policy. Secure our borders and demand a positive ID of every NON-CITIZEN in the country. Deport those with violent criminal records but issue work permits to those we allow to stay. Allow no short cuts to citizenship, except for military service. Establish a penalty tax for non-citizens and their employers as an incentive to hire citizens first! 

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"...This  is absurd. A single man with that income, with no dependent children will pay less than 20% in taxes, including Social Security and Medicare...."
Are you sure you aren't a closet liberal?   So single people that make over $51,000.00 should have a tax hike to make you happy?  Single people must be selfish thinking only of themselves and never helping others or being responsible for others unless they make babies?  
The IRS definition of a qualifying relative is pretty strict.  Despite the lack of tax breaks, some of us don't shirk our family obligations to other adults with mental or physical issues or just plain up in their latter years.   Sure there are other programs like social security, but that doesn't not necessarily take care of all expenses.
Before declaring things absurd, walk in someone else's shoes for a while.   If you have that much time to make such comments about other people's financial needs based on their married status, maybe you need to pay more taxes.==================================

Not a qualifying child - The dependent cannot be a qualifying child of another taxpayer.

Gross Income – The dependent earns less than the personal exemption amount during the year. For 2009 and 2010, this means the dependent earns less than $3,650.

Total Support – You provide more than half of the dependent's total support during the year.

Relationship – You are related to the dependent in certain ways.

Joint Return – If the dependent is married, the dependent cannot file a joint return with his or her spouse.

Citizenship – The dependent must be a citizen or resident alien of the United States, Canada, or Mexico.

subcontrators do pay taxes....

Mr Adams, I applaud your monetary contributions to various Republican candidates over the past years.  That said, and after having read your above Blog I find you to be a RINO and manipulative in your rhetoric as related to Joe vs. Jose Illegal.

First you say that Joe would pay a maximum of 15% taxes at his income level.  In all actuality he would pay much more.  You see he would be subject to 10% Federal Tax Rate on his first $16,750 of AGI and 15% Federal Tax on everything above that.  If we stop there then your response to his being taxed at less than 15% would be right but you conveniently forget to add in the 9.30% California State Income Tax as well as the 6.20% Social Security Tax that Joe will probably never benefit from as well as the 1.45% Medicare Tax that Joe is subjected to. When you add it all together it comes to around the 30% that the Joe vs Jose Illegal email suggests.

Also you say that to get any Housing and Food Stamp Benefits that you must provide a validated Social Security Number linked to the recipient to the authorities.  That statement does not agree with the Food Stamp official website.

According to their official website here is what you need to be prepared to present or discuss, quote:

"When you are interviewed, you also should have:
    • Identification such as a driver’s license, state ID, birth certificate or alien card;
    • Proof of income such as pay stubs, Social Security, SSI or a pension for each member of your household;
    • Proof of how much you spend for child care;
    • Rent receipts or proof of your mortgage payments;
    • Records of your utility costs; and
    • Medical bills for those members of your household age 60 or older, and for those who receive government payments such as Social Security or SSI because they are disabled."
Also, could you please explain how Obama's illegal alien aunt in Boston was able to get Public Housing for years before she was recently granted asylum?

No sir, your retort to the email is fraught with errors, holes and partisanship towards the Liberal Viewpoint.  I could go on with evidence of this but I am tired of typing.


Most sub-contractors get paid in cash and are responsible for paying taxes on that...  yeah... right. 

Mr. Adams,

   Sir Rino, Let's just begin with each of your redline mythbuster quotes. First, A lot of illegals do the same, using a fake SS. Wow, you're going to use felony use of a government document to defend their action?? Also, who is paying the hundreds of thousands of dollars to the IRS auditors that are employed just to figure out all of this fraud. Then the poor guy who is being violated, as his income tax is totally skewed because of this fraudulent use of his SS. Oh, now we also add ID theft, along with the felony use of a gov. doc.    Next, we all know at 50K you are going to lose nearly 33% of our income to the government, let's not lie to the people. NEXT, Employers do not pull the tax from contractors, but they do write it off as payout loss. MORE Gov IRS employees hunting down ghost SS numbers. NEXT, INSURANCE, WHAT??? I have been at the hospitals, worked in them, seen first hand, Illegals using their gold cards. Seen the same gold card used by 15-20 Illegals, as they pass them on to the next family or friend. The hospitals cannot question the ligitamacy of the card holder, without threat of termination!!   NEXT... WIC/Food Stamps eligibility requirements. You better go back down there and check your facts. Even if you were right, which your are not, the wives and daughters that have legal IDs are filing for the welfare and of course are not reporting the ILLEGAL income. NEXT... Car insurance? You must be high, they drive cars, bought by legals in this country, cannot get insurance due to lack of DL or any other legal documentation that might tie them to an income in this country and frankly, they just don't care. They have no respect for the laws anyhow. They certainly have no respect for the gov. property in this country, just go to any park after easter and you will see the trash, dirty diapers and other illegal contraband that they were not even supposed to be bringing there in the first place. It's ok tho, the tax payer employees that are paying their own taxes will work overtime to clean up after the ILLEGAL Aliens leave it.
SCHOOL, you better work on your studies here. The Illegal population are graduating in thousands without an ounce of ENGLISH. The TAX PAYERS are flipping the bill for thousands of dollars in payroll to teachers to teach ESL. I am sorry, but a 5 or 6 grader that is going to school in America, should already know English and if they were born in this country, which would be how they are LEGAL, they should be learning Spanish as a second language. Lunches....HAHAHAHA, really, I make about what Joe Legal makes. I don't even qualify for a reduced lunch for my kids.

This garbage rhetoric response is no Myth-Buster at all, It is filled with LIBERAL Vote hunting and it is WRONG!!!!! I will also be noting, reposting and forwarding this page with all of the politicians that associated themselves to the page. This way all that care about this country will be able to avoid voting for them.

I probably missed some, Frankly, I got tired of scrolling back up to find more garbage to dispute.



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